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  21 Years as an Elder, 5 as an MS, I will never be that guy again.

  by James Jack in

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  i was deleted as the cobe after i let my adult child move back home and he admitted that he fornicated under my roof while my wife and i where away on a rbc project.

  of course the elder mode in me kicked him out of the house.. the elders moved quickly to remove me because i was too involved in "theocractic activities", i had neglected my adult son.. i accepted this primarily because i didn't want to serve with a boe that did not want me.

  i was devastated however because it was the only life i knew.

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  Nathan Natas

  Wow, what a pair of knuckleheads you were!   Whether you remain knuckleheads remains to be seen.

  Were you expecting praise for your devotion to that "old-time snare-and-racket"?
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  So my dad comes from vacation and ???!!!

  by Kool Jo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello folks.....so in an earlier thread i started, you'd realize that my father and i are quite close, we talk about almost everything/anything.. he traveled outside the country (he's semi-retired), enjoying the fruitage of his hard labor during his younger years.

  so he recently returned home after he and mum went away to catchup with some old friends in another country.. upon his returning home, and subsequently to the meetings, he was told that a decision was made to strip him of his "field overseer" role, but will still continue to be an elder.. the reason...he goes away for too long too often...you can't be away from your congregation for three months out of the year!!!???

  has anyone else had this experience before?

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  Nathan Natas

  If your dad has any self-respect at all, this might get him thinking.  On the other hand, he may have grown to enjoy the deliciousness of The Watchtower lash...
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  Survey: How Many Here Have Gotten Into Trouble With The Elders

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  how many were brought in the infamous back room?

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  Nathan Natas

  My offense was SO severe there wasn't time to go to the back room.  My PO at the time (I was an MS and a Pioneer) told me my sideburns were 1/8 of an inch too long.   He was a real manipulative PRICK and loved playing the brothers and sisters against each other.  I saw through his evil game and refused to join in.  Today Mike Smilnak has his reward - he's dead, with no hope of the resurrection that he hawked as a promise so he could gain more victims.  Anyone else who knew Mike can tell of other ways that he showed himself to be a SCHMUCK - I could tell at least a half-dozen stories on him.
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  My own daughter has much suffered; she will get justice in due time.

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just learned today direct from my beloved daughter that she has been abused between 5 and 12 years old by 2 brothers (her own cousins) and 1 family "friend".

  she has attempted suicide a few days ago.

  luckily she is living and she is not physically injured.

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  Nathan Natas

  Oubliette and Lurkernomore:

  Unlike you, I feel no obligation to be an empathetic asshole for every whining victim who comes down the pike.

  Do not be distressed, there are MORE THAN ENOUGH undiscriminating empathetic assholes available here to provide support for each of the neurotic head-cases who sign on here seeking attention for how THEY were victimized (even if the victimization was BY PROXY, as in "my poor dear daughter..." or "I knew someone who heard of someone who had a friend that...")

  I should be celebrating!  After upteen years of treading muck in this quicksand trap that is "the JW experience," I find myself at the shallow end of the swamp where I can extract myself and MOVE ON to wherever "ON" is.

  Over the past decade-plus I've wondered sometimes why people would up and leave, never to return.  It has taken me that long to get a belly-full of the self interested phonies who show up from time to time seeking not healing, but ATTENTION.  I'm sorry; when I was "in" I had NO SYMPATHY for the whining crybabies who were always "being stumbled" as a way of controlling others, and I'm far less tolerant of this crap behavior now, so I CALL IT AS I SEE IT - and I will not hesitate to point out that I have been shown to be correct in my appraisals more often than I have been wrong.

  
  

  So put it in your hat and sit on it, you of the bleeding-hearts club!  Keep your simple-minded "church-lady" sensitivity in your purse!
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  My own daughter has much suffered; she will get justice in due time.

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just learned today direct from my beloved daughter that she has been abused between 5 and 12 years old by 2 brothers (her own cousins) and 1 family "friend".

  she has attempted suicide a few days ago.

  luckily she is living and she is not physically injured.

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  Nathan Natas

  In Münchausen syndrome by proxy, an adult caregiver (typically the mother) uses the abuse or suffering of the child in order to gain attention for herself.

  
  

   
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  My own daughter has much suffered; she will get justice in due time.

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just learned today direct from my beloved daughter that she has been abused between 5 and 12 years old by 2 brothers (her own cousins) and 1 family "friend".

  she has attempted suicide a few days ago.

  luckily she is living and she is not physically injured.

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  Nathan Natas

  There there dearie, you're a wonderful person and can't be faulted for wanting a bit of attention after all your daughter has been through. Verily I tell you today you will be with me in paradise. Please tell us more about how much you've suffered.
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  Thank You From Captives of a Concept

  by Cameron_Don in

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  2. friends

  i wanted to thank so many who have taken the time and effort to read and recommend captives of a concept over the past decade.. for those who have not seen it, there is an interview on youtube that may have helped some witnesses begin the process of getting the sense of the way the watchtower religion actually works.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5trkrpia-3q.

  don cameron.

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  Nathan Natas

  Beyond the debt of gratitude I owe you Don for writing such an excellent book is a debt of gratitude for helping me - and possibly others, but I'll let them speak for themselves - to see what was possible with the new technologies of self-publishing.

  Before this, anyone who wrote about Jehovah's Witnesses had to fork over major dollars to a "vanity press" who would print no less than a "minimum press run" of the book and then ship ALL of them to the author so the author could figure out how to store and distribute the hundreds if not thousands of books that had just been dropped on his doorstep.

  LULU.COM was the first company to overthrow the old "vanity press" paradigm, and this made it possible for a FLOOD of both new books and "replica reprints" of old Watchtower publications, and to do it for astonishingly little cost!

  ROLL THE PRESSES!

  Most of us have learned that writing about The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is a lousy way to earn retirement income - at best it will provide a pizza a couple of times a year (at worst NO PIZZA FOR YOU!), but we did it because our stories, and more importantly, THE TRUTH, needs to be told.

  Best wishes to you! Thank you, Sensei!
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  My own daughter has much suffered; she will get justice in due time.

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  just learned today direct from my beloved daughter that she has been abused between 5 and 12 years old by 2 brothers (her own cousins) and 1 family "friend".

  she has attempted suicide a few days ago.

  luckily she is living and she is not physically injured.

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  Nathan Natas

  TheFadingAlbatros said, "I could never imagine before this kind of could touch my own family."

  Why not? Did you see yourself as superior to the other members of the congregation, or did you feel you had an "extra" guardian angel assigned to you?

  Or was it simply that you KNEW you were meeting all the requirements and were confident of Jah's protection, while none of us can be really sure how our neighbor might be acting "in secret" or harboring in their heart?

  I'm sorry your daughter had this experience and I hope she can learn that SHE has no guilt in this matter and her value as a human being is not diminished.
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  Barbara Anderson scheduled to appear on "Chuck Morse Speaks" from 11-12 AM ET on November 11, 2014

  by ABibleStudent in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i found out that barbara anderson is scheduled to talk about the watchtower's child abuse problems on chuck morse speaks from 11-12 am et on november 11, 2014 about child protection and/or sol reform.. .

  to listen to podcasts for $0.99/month, click on this link chuck morse speaks.. .

  to listen to chuck morse's show 'chuck morse speaks" on the radio, complete an information form for the irn usa network using this link: station finder | irn usa radio.. .

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  Nathan Natas

  Zeb pleaded, " Could anyone give me a link or words as to what happened please."

  I can tell you with certainty that the letter "E" occurred most frequently. I hope you find that spiritually uplifting.
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  Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

  we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

  be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

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  Nathan Natas

  I intend to set my toupée on fire regardless of the outcome.